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Elan Dude · #16 · Jan 17, 2013. You will need to remove the recoil assembly ( 4 metric screws)clean it and re-grease it lightly. I t may only need a good cleaning if you could help your rope back. 71 Oly 335E & SkiBoose MK I, 74 Elan 250, 76 Oly 300T, 77 Everest 340, 79 Blizzard 5500. Reply.. Utmb sdn 2022 2023

Jun 18, 2019 · Sounds like they didn't renew their security certificate. I'm guessing someone dropped the ball and forgot to renew it, or it did get renewed and they forgot to upload the new security cert to the domain. I wouldn't be worried about visiting dootalk in the meantime. 16 XRS Renegade Etec 800 + 09 Renegade Etec 600. Oct 31, 2021 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. For Sale Skidoo Mach Z 900R turbo Hurricane Extreme Intercooler 900 ACE Turbo. airwolf. Apr 11, 2023. Ava, New York. $900 USD. 4.Nov 5, 2010 · Hi, always best to get a hold of me at [email protected] as it takes me too long to get to messages here on the sledding forums. [email protected] Hi joe. i'm newer to the dootalk forum and i'm having some issues with my 03 mxz 700 adrenaline zx. first off, when at idle my belt is squelling against my primary. Which secondary clutch do you have? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!Got my 11 renegade BCX 800etec rebuilt last spring under the factory rebuild (crankshaft went at 1400 miles) I went riding near abbotsford wisconsin, got through the break-in and then the overheating started. The light came on probably 10 times during my 550 mile trip and everytime i stopped as...Feb 16, 2017 · Rmotion Remote Coupling Selector. I thought this was a sweet little item. At first I thought it was a remote adjustment for the coupling block 1-4 adjustments, but it totally removes the stop blocks in the rear and basically uncouples. Planning to get a XRS Rene in 18 and this should make it a bit better off trail. MX-Z Man · #19 · Feb 27, 2023. DooXtreme said: I saw 105ish on the speedometer on 1200cc renegade 137 which dyno at 136 hp I believe. I haven't been able to get it over 100 on the speedo this year. Looked around 98 on the speedometer and when I opened my GPS app the app had my top speed of 89 mph.600MXZmaniac · #4 · Dec 7, 2012. Heres what i found out. It appears the difference between a BR9ES and a BR9ECS is the ECS has a. "low angle ground electrode. 2009 Ski-doo GTX 500 SS. 2,200 miles. SLEDS I HAVE HAD IN THE PAST (not necessarily in order) 1973 Olympic 300. 1974 Silver Bullet 440.Both are impressive. I am coming of a pair of 2016 900 aces and the additional power and, new chassis and suspension are awesome. There is a noticeable difference in power between the 2. Put on about 110 miles so far and switching back and forth quite a bit. So far not noticing the weight difference.2015 supercharged m8000 air intake temperature sensor. XFire 136"-141"/Mtn. Cat/M-series. So, I have a 2015 m8000 with the speedwerx super charger on it. The sled fires right up, and runs great at WOT, the issue is that it has the classic m8000 stumble/hesitation to get up to WOT. New to the DooTalk forum but looks like lots of info here from knowlegable folks. Anyhow, I have 2002 MXZ 700, runs awsome after getting it started, but heres the problem, GETTING IT STARTED. Off the trailer and cold I sit there and pull and pull the thing and no go, choke on, half and off.352. Next. Mach Z / Mach 1 / Formula III Triples. Discussion about the Mach/Formula III Triples. 125.8K posts. 16.7M. Ski-Doo Snowmobiles.A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! 7.6M. Join Community Grow Your Business.Accessories and apparel to get you ready for snowmobile season before a single snowflake touches the ground. Snowmobile offseason is the time to add accessories and apparel to your arsenal to prep for the coming winter — and it’s never too early. Browse our store with free shipping on orders of $100+. Start shopping now.Hopefully this will help you simply diagnose the cause of electronic reverse failure. 1) Check fuse. 2) With the motor running, place your hand on the two relays that are mounted on the back side of the fuse box and press the reverse button. You should feel both relays click approximately 1 second apart from each other.VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, CanadaThe Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Jan 20, 2018 · Save. Like. seanp39 · #9 · Jan 24, 2018 (Edited by Moderator) So downsize from a 101" x 12' to a 60" x 12'. Cost of a new 2 place hybrid is $4400 and a 1 place is $3600. And the 1 place does not have full size tires, they are 12" E-rated tires as are the 2 place trailers. But they are radials and will work well. A forum community dedicated to snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, racing, troubleshooting, trails, maintenance, riding tips, modifications, classifieds, gear, and more!Nov 22, 2015 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!Jan 5, 2019 · Another fouled plug. I have 1997 Grand Touring 583 which likes to foul the PTO side plug. I'll get about 30 km on a plug. It generally tends to foul when I come to a stop and when I get back on it hard to cross a road for example I'll feel the misfire. Or sometimes I'll be cruising at 60km/hr turning 5500rpm and occasionally I'll go wide open ... The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Elan Dude · #16 · Jan 17, 2013. You will need to remove the recoil assembly ( 4 metric screws)clean it and re-grease it lightly. I t may only need a good cleaning if you could help your rope back. 71 Oly 335E & SkiBoose MK I, 74 Elan 250, 76 Oly 300T, 77 Everest 340, 79 Blizzard 5500. Reply.The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!Feb 15, 2022 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. Apr 12, 2021 · The Hot Rod Sled Shop has a small nipple that just screws on to the little 50 gram tubes of isoflex grease and works fine just squeezing the tube like you are squeezing tooth paste. Think it sells for $25 . It is meant for greasing the P-Drive rollers! Another option are these. MX-Z Man · #19 · Feb 27, 2023. DooXtreme said: I saw 105ish on the speedometer on 1200cc renegade 137 which dyno at 136 hp I believe. I haven't been able to get it over 100 on the speedo this year. Looked around 98 on the speedometer and when I opened my GPS app the app had my top speed of 89 mph.Sep 5, 2020 · A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Primary sliding sheave bushing tool. LVP. Sep 1, 2023. 1. 105. 13 h ago. by SkidooShredder. Shock swap. But the bolt sizes look to be different.Sparky709 · #18 · Jan 23, 2022. 800_XRS said: Ski Doo Shop Manuals Bulletins Campaigns | Skidoo. My website should have what your looking for if not pm me and I'll get it to you. Woodsy. Looking for a service manual for 2003 grand touring 600r. Reply.352. Next. Mach Z / Mach 1 / Formula III Triples. Discussion about the Mach/Formula III Triples. 125.8K posts. 16.7M. Ski-Doo Snowmobiles.Sled1997GT Discussion starter · Jan 5, 2019. Good Morning Ski doo enthusiasts. I have 1997 Grand Touring 583 which likes to foul the PTO side plug. I'll get about 30 km on a plug. It generally tends to foul when I come to a stop and when I get back on it hard to cross a road for example I'll feel the misfire.Aug 26, 2017 · Ski doo 2006 Summit X 800 rev electrical components not working after sitting outside for about 5 years. opreco06. Feb 12, 2023. 15. 677. Feb 13, 2023. May 14, 2023 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. 4-TEC / Ace 4 Strokes. This is a brand-specific forum. Posts on this forum are assumed to be questions aimed at similar model owners, and are not looking for comments of a sarcastic or "bashing" nature.Apr 28, 2023 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. Recommended for you. Ski-Doo Snowmobiles Forum Since 2002. A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! 7.6M. Join Community Grow Your Business. SHOP MANUALS/Tech Books. All Manuals are free and safe downloads. They are all stored on Google Doc for hosting purposes. Now if you have a 2014 800etec you can use any 800etec shop manual for the right information. If you have a 2009 600etec you can use any 2009 to 2017 600etec specs in the manual.Jan 5, 2019 · Another fouled plug. I have 1997 Grand Touring 583 which likes to foul the PTO side plug. I'll get about 30 km on a plug. It generally tends to foul when I come to a stop and when I get back on it hard to cross a road for example I'll feel the misfire. Or sometimes I'll be cruising at 60km/hr turning 5500rpm and occasionally I'll go wide open ... The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Hi, always best to get a hold of me at [email protected] as it takes me too long to get to messages here on the sledding forums. [email protected] Hi joe. i'm newer to the dootalk forum and i'm having some issues with my 03 mxz 700 adrenaline zx. first off, when at idle my belt is squelling against my primary. Which secondary clutch do you have?Added 8hp and removed 21 lbs 22 MXZ XRS 600R. ADTguy. Sep 1, 2023. REV-GEN 4 & 5 Trail two stroke. 18. 899. 27 m ago. by mile9c1. M.Mar 31, 2022 · srocher · #18 · May 11, 2022. Hopefully with the cut backs on dealer alottments they will be able to deliver them in a timely manner, but I know that they are really struggling to get Seadoos and Can-Ams delivered right now. Seadoos are already 6 weeks behind and SXSs are 6 months in some cases. 2022 MXZ 600XRS. Aug 31, 2023 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. Nov 6, 2019 · Sparky709 · #18 · Jan 23, 2022. 800_XRS said: Ski Doo Shop Manuals Bulletins Campaigns | Skidoo. My website should have what your looking for if not pm me and I'll get it to you. Woodsy. Looking for a service manual for 2003 grand touring 600r. Reply. Jan 2, 2014 · Got my 11 renegade BCX 800etec rebuilt last spring under the factory rebuild (crankshaft went at 1400 miles) I went riding near abbotsford wisconsin, got through the break-in and then the overheating started. The light came on probably 10 times during my 550 mile trip and everytime i stopped as... A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.SHOP MANUALS/Tech Books. All Manuals are free and safe downloads. They are all stored on Google Doc for hosting purposes. Now if you have a 2014 800etec you can use any 800etec shop manual for the right information. If you have a 2009 600etec you can use any 2009 to 2017 600etec specs in the manual.Jan 27, 2018 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. Jun 2, 2022 · Ram 1500 5.7 vs Ford F150 5.0 vs Ford F150 EcoBoost [2011-2013] mcp123. Dec 2, 2016. 2 3. 50. 14K. Jul 30, 2023. by durangillo1. 2015 supercharged m8000 air intake temperature sensor. XFire 136"-141"/Mtn. Cat/M-series. So, I have a 2015 m8000 with the speedwerx super charger on it. The sled fires right up, and runs great at WOT, the issue is that it has the classic m8000 stumble/hesitation to get up to WOT. 2015 supercharged m8000 air intake temperature sensor. XFire 136"-141"/Mtn. Cat/M-series. So, I have a 2015 m8000 with the speedwerx super charger on it. The sled fires right up, and runs great at WOT, the issue is that it has the classic m8000 stumble/hesitation to get up to WOT. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Aug 26, 2017 · Ski doo 2006 Summit X 800 rev electrical components not working after sitting outside for about 5 years. opreco06. Feb 12, 2023. 15. 677. Feb 13, 2023. Aug 9, 2023 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Jan 16, 2013 · Elan Dude · #16 · Jan 17, 2013. You will need to remove the recoil assembly ( 4 metric screws)clean it and re-grease it lightly. I t may only need a good cleaning if you could help your rope back. 71 Oly 335E & SkiBoose MK I, 74 Elan 250, 76 Oly 300T, 77 Everest 340, 79 Blizzard 5500. Reply. Mach Z 1000 SDI spark plug information. There are 3 new NGK Iridium ECS version spark plugs available for snowmobiles. These are the same as the other ECS spark plugs which have chamfered faces where the ground electrode is attached by welding. This chamfer was added to strengthen the weld and eliminate electrode burn off.Tread XL - Overland Edition. Suction Cup Mount (10") - Ball size 1.5”. 12 Volt Vehicle Power Cable - Cigarette-Lighter style plug-in. Locking Magnet-assisted Mount - Ball size 1.5”. USB Cable Type A to Type C. Comes with a Garmin short 1.5' arm mount - All I needed was the ram mount plate. Documentation (Owners manual is installed on the ...srocher · #18 · May 11, 2022. Hopefully with the cut backs on dealer alottments they will be able to deliver them in a timely manner, but I know that they are really struggling to get Seadoos and Can-Ams delivered right now. Seadoos are already 6 weeks behind and SXSs are 6 months in some cases. 2022 MXZ 600XRS.Feb 14, 2022 · 5. Old Doo Daddy · #19 · Feb 14, 2022. MunsonAuto said: My first impressions are very mediocre at best. -The new headlight is long overdue, but styling could be better especially for the mountain sleds. -The gauge is whatever to me, I'm in the crowd that only really uses the rpm, coolant temp and trip. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, CanadaLess mess and smaller ISO tube needed. The Hot Rod Sled Shop has a small nipple that just screws on to the little 50 gram tubes of isoflex grease and works fine just squeezing the tube like you are squeezing tooth paste. Think it sells for $25 . It is meant for greasing the P-Drive rollers! Reply.ski-doo-spindles.gif. Thats what I was saying, Shorter from lower ball joint to ski bolt= less ski pressure. You will also see the ski is pusher back 2 inches.need to look at tie rod location and the turn stops. SLP says they haven't really ever tried them .with a deep keel ski it will surely offset the ski pressure.A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!Little Italy Tupper Lake, Tupper Lake, New York. 2,313 likes · 73 talking about this · 3,783 were here. Restaurant, pizzeria & bar serving Pizza, wings,... Nov 13, 2009 · Bubz · #7 · Nov 14, 2009. Unfortunately Ski-Doo does call for 8.5 ounces. IMO the tools should have put the level plug at that spot rather than at 12 ounces, to avoid all the confusion. No damage will be done if you want to fill it all the way to the level plug. Reply. Jan 5, 2019 · Another fouled plug. I have 1997 Grand Touring 583 which likes to foul the PTO side plug. I'll get about 30 km on a plug. It generally tends to foul when I come to a stop and when I get back on it hard to cross a road for example I'll feel the misfire. Or sometimes I'll be cruising at 60km/hr turning 5500rpm and occasionally I'll go wide open ... Got my 11 renegade BCX 800etec rebuilt last spring under the factory rebuild (crankshaft went at 1400 miles) I went riding near abbotsford wisconsin, got through the break-in and then the overheating started. The light came on probably 10 times during my 550 mile trip and everytime i stopped as...IcutMetl · #5 · Feb 16, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) summit670x said: Rmotion in position 1 is "UN" coupled as per BRP right here on Dootalk. With those block flipped up it is for sure uncoupled. This option gives the opportunity to run the blocks in position 2,3,or 4 on trail and when you jump off trail you can uncouple with the turn of your ...Jan 2, 2014 · Got my 11 renegade BCX 800etec rebuilt last spring under the factory rebuild (crankshaft went at 1400 miles) I went riding near abbotsford wisconsin, got through the break-in and then the overheating started. The light came on probably 10 times during my 550 mile trip and everytime i stopped as... Bubz · #7 · Nov 14, 2009. Unfortunately Ski-Doo does call for 8.5 ounces. IMO the tools should have put the level plug at that spot rather than at 12 ounces, to avoid all the confusion. No damage will be done if you want to fill it all the way to the level plug. Reply.2005 Mach Z 1000 SDI was running great, shut it off with kill switch, now will not start! DooTrouble. Feb 14, 2023. 2. 26. 2K. Mar 27, 2023. by nm9stheham.Nov 22, 2015 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Mach Z 1000 SDI spark plug information. There are 3 new NGK Iridium ECS version spark plugs available for snowmobiles. These are the same as the other ECS spark plugs which have chamfered faces where the ground electrode is attached by welding. This chamfer was added to strengthen the weld and eliminate electrode burn off.Aug 9, 2023 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. AKDoug · #16 · Jan 19, 2021 (Edited by Moderator) The extended glove box with heated cell phone holder for the Gen 4's works great. I've been using mine constantly with the OnX Hunt app to redirect old backcountry trails around private property to avoid future conflicts, as well as map out old trails accurately.

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J. Jereme6655 · #8 · Dec 1, 2016. I had a 16oz bottle of chain case oil.....after following the owners manual instructions to fill it to the bottom of the check plug, there were 4 oz left in the bottle. So per the change instructions it's 12oz. Reply.Jul 16, 2021 · MXZ / Legend / Summit / Grand Touring / Formula. I recently saw ad ad in a local face book marketplace of a "Ski Doo 660 for sale", pictures showed an S-Chassis Summit, so I asked for pictures. Young kid, had it and "another Ski Doo" for sale, $1,500.00 Canadian for both. He sent pictures and one sled obviously looked like a '96 MXZ and the... Empire087 · #2 · Mar 28, 2010. SnoMo said: We had two XP's start brake fires this January. Ski-Doo and my dealer claim the ebrakes were on - they were not. Ski-Doo will do nothing about it, they send only lawyer like letters stating they are not and never will be responsible. I have seen several other posts claiming the same issue.Aug 31, 2023 · The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent. 352. Next. Mach Z / Mach 1 / Formula III Triples. Discussion about the Mach/Formula III Triples. 125.8K posts. 16.7M. Ski-Doo Snowmobiles.Oct 14, 2016 · Forums. Off Topic Lounge. General Discussion. Very Sad News - Bobadoo. 26217 Views ... Sparky709 · #18 · Jan 23, 2022. 800_XRS said: Ski Doo Shop Manuals Bulletins Campaigns | Skidoo. My website should have what your looking for if not pm me and I'll get it to you. Woodsy. Looking for a service manual for 2003 grand touring 600r. Reply.Jan 2, 2014 · Got my 11 renegade BCX 800etec rebuilt last spring under the factory rebuild (crankshaft went at 1400 miles) I went riding near abbotsford wisconsin, got through the break-in and then the overheating started. The light came on probably 10 times during my 550 mile trip and everytime i stopped as... The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Manage Consent.Oct 14, 2016 · Forums. Off Topic Lounge. General Discussion. Very Sad News - Bobadoo. 26217 Views ... Feb 14, 2022 · 5. Old Doo Daddy · #19 · Feb 14, 2022. MunsonAuto said: My first impressions are very mediocre at best. -The new headlight is long overdue, but styling could be better especially for the mountain sleds. -The gauge is whatever to me, I'm in the crowd that only really uses the rpm, coolant temp and trip. Less mess and smaller ISO tube needed. The Hot Rod Sled Shop has a small nipple that just screws on to the little 50 gram tubes of isoflex grease and works fine just squeezing the tube like you are squeezing tooth paste. Think it sells for $25 . It is meant for greasing the P-Drive rollers! Reply.Empire087 · #2 · Mar 28, 2010. SnoMo said: We had two XP's start brake fires this January. Ski-Doo and my dealer claim the ebrakes were on - they were not. Ski-Doo will do nothing about it, they send only lawyer like letters stating they are not and never will be responsible. I have seen several other posts claiming the same issue.A forum community dedicated to Ski-doo snowmobile owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about trails, racing, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more!Sparky709 · #18 · Jan 23, 2022. 800_XRS said: Ski Doo Shop Manuals Bulletins Campaigns | Skidoo. My website should have what your looking for if not pm me and I'll get it to you. Woodsy. Looking for a service manual for 2003 grand touring 600r. Reply.Both are impressive. I am coming of a pair of 2016 900 aces and the additional power and, new chassis and suspension are awesome. There is a noticeable difference in power between the 2. Put on about 110 miles so far and switching back and forth quite a bit. So far not noticing the weight difference..

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